Posts by never a jw

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Directed panspermia - a plausible theory of intelligent design?

by EdenOne in

i have just read an interesting article by astrobiologist jacob haq-misra.. in this article he describes a process called "directed panspermia" as a plausible way that one form of intelligent design - one not related with religious driven agendas involving theism - could be involved in the process by which life developed on earth and possibly in other planets as well.. sounds like a speculation that's worth entertaining.

your thoughts?.

never a jw

intelligent design - one NOT related with religious driven agendas involving theism.

Really? It's like saying that there's a creator, but it's not God. Quite an oxymoron.

The very assumption in which it rests is obviously at odds with the biblical account of creation.

I suppose Asian religions creation accounts don't even merit mentioning. Are you assuming that only the religions of the book (Bible) can be classified as theistic? Quite arrogant to imply that, if there's a creator, it must be the one described in the Bible.

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Our secretly recorded disfellowshipping and 2 year anniversary since leaving on Watchtower Victims Memorial Day!!!

by Christian Gutierrez in

hey guys it's been 2 years since leaving and this is how life has gone for us since then.

hope you guys have had a positive experience too!

cheers 😃.

never a jw

Dubstepped,

a month ago I love you guys and your videos but have to admit that the only time I run across you is during self-promotion

I have to thank you for waking me up. I just couldn't place my finger on what was wrong with their videos.

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Evolution vs Creation.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

never a jw

A friend of mine who barely attended elementary once said that "scientists are stupid. It doesn't make sense, when you cross two dogs you still get a dog, not a cat". There you have it. This type of reasoning makes Christian fundamentalists an authority that can challenge the brightest and most educated.

Otherwise, my friend is a great guy, even a very smart one.

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Juan Gabriel died.

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

for the world, michael jackson's death was the death of an insanely well known person.. in latin america, juan gabriel was like our michael jackson, he was that well known.. generations of people all over latin america knew his songs.

you heard his songs when you broke up with someone and went to the bar, you heard his songs in karaoke, you heard his songs every saturday when your grandma played music loudly and she only had the one cassette and it was his.... i hadn't cried for the death of an artist before, but today i did.. there are sooo many memories, both good and bad, in mine and hundreds of millions of people, in which he was a part.. mexico and all of latin america is in pain right now.. may he rest in peace..

never a jw

Chente and Juanga are not in the same category. They may have the same fame, but can't be compared. One is the greatest ranchera songs interpreter with a very long career (about 50 years), the other was an extremely prolific song writer/singer in a very wide spectrum of latino music, also with a very long career (almost 50 years). You can compare Juanga to Joan Sebastian. It works well. They have parallel careers and same level of success.

Justin Timberlake?...pleeease. Not even close

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Juan Gabriel died.

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

for the world, michael jackson's death was the death of an insanely well known person.. in latin america, juan gabriel was like our michael jackson, he was that well known.. generations of people all over latin america knew his songs.

you heard his songs when you broke up with someone and went to the bar, you heard his songs in karaoke, you heard his songs every saturday when your grandma played music loudly and she only had the one cassette and it was his.... i hadn't cried for the death of an artist before, but today i did.. there are sooo many memories, both good and bad, in mine and hundreds of millions of people, in which he was a part.. mexico and all of latin america is in pain right now.. may he rest in peace..

never a jw

He is a fine example, at least to me, that shows that the "gay gene" comes with some extra benefits. His great talent, compassion and tolerance were a great example that may have helped people in Latinamerica reduce their homophobic attitudes.

Rest in peace Juan Gabriel

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The problem of sex (or why I'm not an atheist)

by EdenOne in

as i write this under the shadow of the walls of saint jorge's castle in lisbon, two very bored jws are standing just five metres away from me with a literature cart .... in my journey away from jwism i accepted evolution as a fact.

i also became anti-religion, agnostic and apatheist.

and, while i lean towards the persuasion of the atheist arguments, there are a few reasons that make it difficult for me to completely discard the notion of an intelligent origin of life.

never a jw

@vidquin This cannot be called circular reasoning either, just plain stupid.

...why my reasoning is not circular reasoning, because I say it's not.

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Hypocrisy of the governing body & abuse of J.W.'s

by The Searcher in

here is what the present "faithful & discreet slave" spewed out just a few years ago:.

w06 3/15 p. 24 par.

12 “each one will carry his own load” - "the source of pay and the location of the employment also enter into the picture.

never a jw

Well, is it possible that by not selling to a church the Watchtower get sued for discrimination based on religious beliefs. I think that can be a good loophole they can use. Same could be said of the brother or sister who refuses to paint a church. However the brother's pockets are not as deep as those of the Watchtower. Therefore a stronger case can be made to defend the Watchtower when it sells real estate to other churches, especially in a country as litigious as the U.S.

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How do we know JWs are wrong and how do we convince others JWs are wrong: logic versus persuasion

by slimboyfat in

we like to think we are logical and have good reasons for for our beliefs.

no more so than when it comes to our reasons for rejecting the truth claims of jws.

we reject their version of history, such as the date of the fall of jerusalem, because it doesn't agree with the historical evidence.

never a jw

logic versus persuasion

It's like saying Honda original parts versus Honda Civic.

You may want to compare apples to apples.

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The problem of sex (or why I'm not an atheist)

by EdenOne in

as i write this under the shadow of the walls of saint jorge's castle in lisbon, two very bored jws are standing just five metres away from me with a literature cart .... in my journey away from jwism i accepted evolution as a fact.

i also became anti-religion, agnostic and apatheist.

and, while i lean towards the persuasion of the atheist arguments, there are a few reasons that make it difficult for me to completely discard the notion of an intelligent origin of life.

never a jw

Just recently I had to discard the idea of God's intelligent design altogether because for every puzzling and wonderful design such as sexual reproduction you find a myriad of other processes in nature where intelligent design does not fit (i.e. evolution). The only way to assert God's I.D. or God's intervention, you have to follow the Christian methodology:

I pray to God for something to happen.
It happens.
Therefore God.

To maintain the belief in a personal God the believer is forced to ignore all the prayers that went unheard. In other words, he selects the instances that appear to support his arguments, while he ignores all the instances that don't support his argument. And you don't do that when you take an objective approach. Similarly, in order to claim I.D. you have to provide consistency, either all I.D. or no I.D at all.

The only way I can fit God is at the beginning of space/time/matter when He "subjected" all matter to inviolable and eternal laws of physics, that not even he interferes with.

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"If the Earth were just a little bit further from or closer to the Sun, we would all freeze or burn"

by Island Man in

i'm sure we've all heard this argument by theists employing the fine-tuning argument.

are you aware, however, of exactly how much this "little bit" really is?

theists would have us think that the slightest change in the distance would have drastic implications for survivability.

never a jw

What a lousy creator, it took him billions upon billions of attempts to finally get it right. Think about all those planets in the universe that were part of God's failed attempts to produce the ideal environment for life.